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Post time 2016-3-4 00:17:43 |Show the author posts only |Ascending
Edited by Corvinus at 2016-3-16 14:25

One word before all the rest. Preparation. You have to prepare for this instance from the moment you get Lu Xun and you´ll be not surprised or to put it better you´ll be surprised how easy this instance is. Don´t need to wait for Guan Yu. Try to collect experience book and wood (I recommend to collect wood through level 122 and experience book from the moment you have Zhang Fei on lvl 80) so that you are able to level up Zhao Yun immediately after get him as fast as you can. Final advise is to take all the levels between Lu Xun and Sun Ce as preparation for Sun Ce.


General useful tips for Sun Ce instance:

1.      Armament:  All your armament must be full. End of discussion.

2.      Polish : 28 stars necessary,anything above is advantage.

3.      Immu:  You will need at least one full Immu set. I recommendto use it in the way you see in article 4 at least in first seven stages. Asfor the additional Immu, the more the better. My guess, or to put it better,hunch, is one full immu set means 500-800 lower attack necessary for instance, although I can not prove this. I think this instance is possible to pass even with lower Immu but higher attack/harm rate for Guo Jia.  

4.      Tank: From the moment I understood the main problem of Immu equip is vulnerability to skill, I thought it would be great if some general wearing Immu was able to block or reflect anything...and there was the idea of making Guo Jia into tank. The main star of this show will be Guo Jia. Use full Immu set (or as many Immu as you have combined with Harm or Attack – because if you lack Immunity you have to kill fast to reflect longer) for Guo Jia so that he can reflect as long aspossible. Once you have Guo Jia equipped with full Immu set, Storm at least 26%, Force of 93 (Top Lantern or Top Superlantern, Liegeman +3 +3 combo and Star Atlas Dragon 14) and Attack at least 6200 Guo Jia should rebound first four to five NPCs at least in first 7 stages and definitely first three in the stages with all terrain enemies. If you test this tank in arena and Trial tower you´ll be satisfied. I have to say, this tank helped me go through Tiger11-14 Star atlas map before I had Zhao Yun. And some statistics, if you are not convinced yet to obtain your own tank: In the instance my Guo Jia reflected all 5 NPCs in two stages (1 and 3), 4 NPCs in 6 stages (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10) and 3 NPCs in two stages (8, 9). As the durability of Guo Jia depens on tactic your oponent chooses, I recommend to use mostly countertactic to terrain tactics of your oponent. I know if I stick to this advice, there could be more 5 reflection stages. Even weaker tanks can do miracles, you just have to find way to compensate less Immu with higher attack/harm rate or higher Storm than mine (I think 30% Storm would do for 4-5 Immu and attack 100 higher than mine).

5.      Star Atlas :  Most of the time you are gonna use at least two heroes who doesn´t need skill attack and skill defense (Guo Jia + MaChao/Wenji). But in case of Guo Jia I recommend to get at least Tiger 1 as you need huge attack for Guo Jia and you´ll not be able to get force 93 without Dragon 14 so Dragon 14 is minimum for Guo Jia. Equiping Guo Jia with Tiger 1 Star atlas gave me overall attack of 6325 in start of the Sun Ce instance. As for other generals anything above Dragon 9 is OK except of Ma Chao/Wenji where Dragon 5 is fine as Ma Chao has brutal force status and Wenji is 3 row splitter and both will do their job only if final boss was blocked.


6.      Equip: As always I rely on Attack/Harm combination with some Defense for damage dealers (Ma Chao, Wenji, ZhangFei, Zhao Yun) and some Tactic/Trick for Casters/Blockers ( Lu Xun, Zhou Yu). I didn´t use skill protection at all, because of having my tank.

7.      Horcruxes: Get your Storm to 26%, resistances to troops on 20%, rebound damage on 23%. I´m not fan of Improve tactics hrcrx and I do not use it. If you have Collision harm hrcrx use it especially against dodgers (remember dodger can not dodge collision harm), but it is not necessary here as Rebound damage works great against dodgers too.

8.      Trinkets: Do as you like, but I would recommend to obtain at least two top lanterns (Guo Jia and blockerof final bosses), the best three of them and make them into superlanterns. But top slotted is also good if made into superslotted. My Trinkets during thei nstance were three top superlanterns and two superslotted (one top, one+17+17) all polished to attack slots, giving me additional attack of 300 in average.

9.      Chariot: I would recommend lvl.4 Chariot for start with continuous forging during the instance. If you have level 5 or higher, it should be much easier for you.

10.  Trial tower test: I started Sun Ce instance at 15th stage of 9th floor and finally got him at the same stage of the same floor, but I think it should be possible to get Sun Ce once you went through stage 11 of 9th floor.

11.  Star atlas test : If you are able to pass Tai Shi Ci in Tiger map (Tiger 10 or 11 i dont remember precisely) you should be able to pass Sun Ce.

12.  Fostering: Guo Jia should have full foster bar in attack and troops, as for the rest of generals, the more the better. Nothing else to discuss here.

13.  Generals. I used Guo Jia, LuXun, Zhang Fei, Dian Wei, Zhou Yu, Zhao Yun, Ma Chao and Cai Wenji. The proper choice was usually made by terrain and type of troops. There is no city here, so you won´t need Zhou Tai and Lu Meng.

14.  Dragon Suit or troops equip. Remember Iron Fist works only if before Sun Ce use it (the first attack of row after clash damage), your troops number in attacking row are lower than his. Therefore it is easier to get him, if you won´t let him use Iron Fist by securing higher number of troops than he has. So,  Dragon suit is divine help and troops equip is good substitute for it.

15.  How to grow strong faster:A lot of players is surprised how fast my stats grow so I decide to share some of my thoughts on growing strong. First of all to be clear I recharge about 500 gold per month, at the moment I am VIP 7. I use gold (RC, daily login and sign in gold) only for raising bets on tournaments and for buy vouchers at max price 1 gold for 10 vouchers in server tournaments, supertournament and tourney. My attitude is that there is difference between getting higher lvl and being strong. Which means you can be strong as hell even if you are 5-8 lvl lower than your oponent. Therefore I prefer slow leveling which gives me time to grow strong. Now you have to understand there are independent and interdependent ways to grow strong. Growing by gem leveling is independent on any other ways (except of internal factors as if you use burnishing or not, in my opinion burnishing is great way to grow continuously and not by jumps). Therefore if you have Guild lvl. 5 you can grow faster independent of let´s say how many iron you get from reclamation. The same goes for (normal) refine and free trinket polish of Trinket. So you have a ways in which you can grow no mater how many vouchers, iron, soul or gold you have. Then you have interdependent ways which means you have to decide which way to take, as  strenghten one means stagnate in other. These are : Star Atlas, Foster, Chariot, Forge, Polish, Horcrux. Foster and StarAtlas depens on each other as both use Soul. But once your Foster is done, StarAtlas become independent; and Star atlas is a bit better improvement than foster therefore I usually foster general emphasizing attack and troops until half of bar, then doing Star Atlas. I foster again only while waiting for enough Starlight, trying to have enough souls for Star Atlas in the same moment as I have enough Starlight. Chariot, Forge, Polish and Horcrux are interdependent. I would suggest to strenghten them in this order. First Forge and polish until you have Rebound damage horcrux. For every special instance get 1-2 more levels of each resistance troops horcrux, Rebound damageand Storm. Buy Chariot as fast as you can. Once you have fully forged armamentand Rebound horcrux, concentrate on heightening Chariot. Chariot is definitely the fastest way to grow strong because for each forging of Chariot you get +1attack +1 defense and + 2 troops and for each level of Chariot you get +200 unreboundable damage to two rows of enemies. I recommend to get 2-3 more levels of Chariot for every special instance. As for trinkets, it depens only on vouchers and is interdependent with other equipment only through vouchers. You can polish trinkets once daily for free so with a little patience you have 2-3 slots of attack improvement. As I prefer high attack to other abilities, I polished all Trinkets to attack.

16.  Final tactic tip : the main problem is final bosses here has all some advantage (split, terrain negation, critical damage, dodge, enhancing capacity as units diminished, iron fist) combined with high troop numbers so your tactic against them should be reducing their numbers with Lu Xun skill, and then to kill them weakened by either some Force monster(Ma Chao) or splitter (Wenji, Zhang Fei). Lu Xun is also the best blocker of your bunch so place him always fourth.


Ready ? OK lets go for it.

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Bro corvinus

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I miss only one harm on banner, unfortunately I used it for Flame suit.

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Corvinus replied at 2016-7-22 18:32
Thanx a lot so my next suit is Tiger instead of Beast.

Good luck with your refine

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FanofBabes replied at 2016-7-22 18:23
Thanks, yes Awaken Z.Fei helps a lot for both D.Qiao and SunCe stages. Before D.qiao my Z.Fei is st ...

Thanx a lot so my next suit is Tiger instead of Beast.

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Edited by FanofBabes at 2016-7-22 18:27
Corvinus replied at 2016-7-22 17:31
Congrats bro, Sun Ce is very good general, although quite vulnerable, but he is worth training bcs ...

Thanks, yes Awaken Z.Fei helps a lot for both D.Qiao and SunCe stages. Before D.qiao my Z.Fei is still normal so yeah haha.

Yes its +1021 atk. Unequipped and equipped stats as per screenshots

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Try Guo Jia (you should rebound at least two gens), Xu Chu (try to lock third NPC and consume the skill of fourth), Ma Chao, Lu Xun, Zhang Fei.

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KILLERZ replied at 2016-7-22 17:28
its really hard to up star atlas coz trial tower getting harder floor by floor... so, have to wait ...

What is your formation ? The main point in Sun Ce stage is cooperation between Lu Xun and Zhang Fei.

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FanofBabes replied at 2016-7-22 17:15
Hi,

Just got my SunCe yesterday, tried SunCe instance for fun.

Congrats bro, Sun Ce is very good general, although quite vulnerable, but he is worth training bcs of his awaken version later.

I see you took different approach to instance, which looks also good and awaken Zhang Fei must have been great helper.

I noticed you have Tiger suit, can you please confirm me that it gives +1021 attack in total instead of 445 as  stated in Suit thread ?

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Corvinus replied at 2016-7-22 17:06
That´s why I wrote general tip No. 15 - it´s long term preparation for each special instance.

its really hard to up star atlas coz trial tower getting harder floor by floor... so, have to wait for sweeping... now i'm on sunce stage. but can't win... so hard... sigh... maybe i will try to follow your tips no 15...
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